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kAoS-Wakko
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I get what ya sayin Gammo.
ONS isnt meant to be player controlled, its meant to be vehicles controlled. This is one of the reasons they took the rocketlauncher out of ONS, cause vehilces would have been shredded. It is supposed to be an ONSLAUGHT, not perhaps a game where the Lightning gun will own the map. Otherwise it wouldnt be fun and new and different and so damn right entertaining (IMO).
DM at the moment is shit because there are like 20 people on a furgin server in DM-Rankin, this is gay and I also dislike, even though I still manage to own em. I wont you too try DEMO on the kAoS server with a password and max 2-3 people. Try that, then if ya still think there is only spam time, then Ill...ill....ill...ill let you come up with something I have to do or admit to publicly.
What im thinking your experiencing is the population explosion. DM and ONS are too differnet games, and I think you'll find DM04 and DM03 will both quite strong in the skill needed feild.
Lets see. I for one wont to try a 1 on 1 in DM Rankin with 04 weapons. I cant wait.
Do I make sense this time?
ONS isnt meant to be player controlled, its meant to be vehicles controlled. This is one of the reasons they took the rocketlauncher out of ONS, cause vehilces would have been shredded. It is supposed to be an ONSLAUGHT, not perhaps a game where the Lightning gun will own the map. Otherwise it wouldnt be fun and new and different and so damn right entertaining (IMO).
DM at the moment is shit because there are like 20 people on a furgin server in DM-Rankin, this is gay and I also dislike, even though I still manage to own em. I wont you too try DEMO on the kAoS server with a password and max 2-3 people. Try that, then if ya still think there is only spam time, then Ill...ill....ill...ill let you come up with something I have to do or admit to publicly.
What im thinking your experiencing is the population explosion. DM and ONS are too differnet games, and I think you'll find DM04 and DM03 will both quite strong in the skill needed feild.
Lets see. I for one wont to try a 1 on 1 in DM Rankin with 04 weapons. I cant wait.
Do I make sense this time?
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kAoS-Wakko
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ut2004 is a different game altogeather,im not really a noob but not a great player so it has made it fun to just go into a game and have fun spamming or running over peeps i think thats what epic have locked onto with it, the noob factor and they will make a killing out of it. theres a hell of alot of what you guys call noobs "you say it like its an insult, but they are just guys that prob dont play that often or really dont take the game that serious enough to spend hours and hours trying to do wall jumps" who just want the odd quick game after work and couldnt be fucked mastering every aspect of the game. as soon as epic released the fact they were putting vheacles in it i knew it was going to take the" leetness" as you call it out of the game. ut2003, and ill get flamed for this, i think slowly died because of the skill factor needed. peeps that i have talked to have said they dont play it because they jump in for the first time and get there asses flogged, so they keep it up for a week and and after a whole week 
of getting nowhere "getting head shot 3 times in a row from god knows where, they give up" they dont relise that the guys that are flogging the shit outta them again and again night after night have been playing the game since the biggining of time. they get the shits because thease guys called "kaos,fear,ext " slaughter them every time they get in, then call them noobs and leave. if they would just stick with it for a little longer but in there eyes it seems hopless when you play someone like sicks or lawsy and they dont even get to score one point. so for thease noobs this is a great game, apply within not much skill at all needed, just have fun.
i think that when the full game is released you will get some of your game leetness. the game servers are chokka and yes its a spam fest but the dm map is small and the "noobs will soon get sick of it and stick to ons"also as you said there will be insta, thank god. and the larger maps will make it harder to spam. and you notice that br and ctf are empty most of the time "the br map sucks and ctf takes some time to master so the noobs wont play it"
and as wakko said ons is a hell of alot harder with less players, i tryed the 24 player server and now i stick to the 12 "with the 12 if you dont act as a team your fucked if the others do.
well to tell the truth half way through i forgot what the fuck this post topic was "i just started rambelling" i saw noob noob noob and though every game need a constant flow of noobs to survive 1 out of every 10 noobs may just stick with it so next time you see a noob help him out and make the game enjoyable even while your kicking the shit out of him i love ut2003 and ut2004 "they are the same but different" i think they tryed to make it a game for everyone, the hardcore gamer and the noob
so start flamming me guys
p.s whats with the, dis,dat,fook "are you guys black newyorkers or somthing"
of getting nowhere "getting head shot 3 times in a row from god knows where, they give up" they dont relise that the guys that are flogging the shit outta them again and again night after night have been playing the game since the biggining of time. they get the shits because thease guys called "kaos,fear,ext " slaughter them every time they get in, then call them noobs and leave. if they would just stick with it for a little longer but in there eyes it seems hopless when you play someone like sicks or lawsy and they dont even get to score one point. so for thease noobs this is a great game, apply within not much skill at all needed, just have fun.i think that when the full game is released you will get some of your game leetness. the game servers are chokka and yes its a spam fest but the dm map is small and the "noobs will soon get sick of it and stick to ons"also as you said there will be insta, thank god. and the larger maps will make it harder to spam. and you notice that br and ctf are empty most of the time "the br map sucks and ctf takes some time to master so the noobs wont play it"
and as wakko said ons is a hell of alot harder with less players, i tryed the 24 player server and now i stick to the 12 "with the 12 if you dont act as a team your fucked if the others do.
well to tell the truth half way through i forgot what the fuck this post topic was "i just started rambelling" i saw noob noob noob and though every game need a constant flow of noobs to survive 1 out of every 10 noobs may just stick with it so next time you see a noob help him out and make the game enjoyable even while your kicking the shit out of him i love ut2003 and ut2004 "they are the same but different" i think they tryed to make it a game for everyone, the hardcore gamer and the noob
so start flamming me guys
p.s whats with the, dis,dat,fook "are you guys black newyorkers or somthing"
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kAoS-Druzilla
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I think W@kko and crash are spot on,i played some 1v1 dm games in ut2004 and i like it no over powerd goo flak cannon is slower and does less damege and i can still get some good lg shots.
The hit boxes are smaller so it takes lots more skill to get a head shot no more lg shot next to the head and still getting a head shot.
I for one think the weapons are more balance than ut2003.
Some big dm maps and the game is going to rock.
If you think about it if you put dm-Rankin on a ut2003 server with 12 players the spam is going to be the same.
The hit boxes are smaller so it takes lots more skill to get a head shot no more lg shot next to the head and still getting a head shot.
I for one think the weapons are more balance than ut2003.
Some big dm maps and the game is going to rock.
If you think about it if you put dm-Rankin on a ut2003 server with 12 players the spam is going to be the same.
agreed it is a small map and full of peps does turn it into a spam fest.....
the hit boxes are smaller.. daz for sure......
nice post crash.. =]
I'm an old mongrel dog.... n da thought of not been able to boost jump as I nail a headshoot... is really lame....
An I LUV oldschool DM.... I hate driving games.. I find them boring beyond belief.. I did like Carmaggedon wen it first came out.. running over those fat cows.... was a buzzz.... but dat waz den diz iz now..... but i supposse clan macthes will involve sum degree of tactical gameplay (ONS)....
dunno vehicles in a game dat built is reputation on DM..is dumb..... maybe Epic should make up deir minds, instead of trying to be everything to every gamer all in da one package... sounds like they got the Microsoft bug stuck way up deir arse.... and maybe they should of just realsed an update to UT3 to fix the weap balance and uder bugs.. and then just realeased a whole new game with an entirely differrent name for their vehicle based gamemodes.....
which ever... the popularity of UT4 will KILL ut3 completely.. so it leaves old dogzz like me out in the cold....
stilll.. lez see wat the reatil version holds....
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the hit boxes are smaller.. daz for sure......
nice post crash.. =]
I'm an old mongrel dog.... n da thought of not been able to boost jump as I nail a headshoot... is really lame....
An I LUV oldschool DM.... I hate driving games.. I find them boring beyond belief.. I did like Carmaggedon wen it first came out.. running over those fat cows.... was a buzzz.... but dat waz den diz iz now..... but i supposse clan macthes will involve sum degree of tactical gameplay (ONS)....
dunno vehicles in a game dat built is reputation on DM..is dumb..... maybe Epic should make up deir minds, instead of trying to be everything to every gamer all in da one package... sounds like they got the Microsoft bug stuck way up deir arse.... and maybe they should of just realsed an update to UT3 to fix the weap balance and uder bugs.. and then just realeased a whole new game with an entirely differrent name for their vehicle based gamemodes.....
which ever... the popularity of UT4 will KILL ut3 completely.. so it leaves old dogzz like me out in the cold....
stilll.. lez see wat the reatil version holds....
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Long-Pig Chef and the Hairless Goat..
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kAoS-Wakko
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<!--QuoteBegin-crash+Feb 17 2004, 12:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crash @ Feb 17 2004, 12:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so next time you see a noob help him out and make the game enjoyable even while your kicking the shit out of him [/quote]
In fact its funny you say that, cause ive invited a few to this web site recently. I promised them I would explain how the game works and ways they can improve thier skills.
Here is another fact, Im writing a "Beginners guide to UT Universe." Weapons, tips tactics, jumps, that sort of thing. Will be out in a fe weeks hopefully.
And one other thing I agree with CRASH is the way the term 'noob' is tossed around and hurled as in insult is so hipocritical its not funny. Actually, I would like to see the online 'trendy geek' vocabulary eliminated entirely. Its pathetic and week, and very geek.
In fact its funny you say that, cause ive invited a few to this web site recently. I promised them I would explain how the game works and ways they can improve thier skills.
Here is another fact, Im writing a "Beginners guide to UT Universe." Weapons, tips tactics, jumps, that sort of thing. Will be out in a fe weeks hopefully.
And one other thing I agree with CRASH is the way the term 'noob' is tossed around and hurled as in insult is so hipocritical its not funny. Actually, I would like to see the online 'trendy geek' vocabulary eliminated entirely. Its pathetic and week, and very geek.
lol guys i really thought i would get a flamming for the post.
yer it would be a pitty if ut2004 kills ut2003, i think ut3 is one of those games you just never get sick of no matter how many times you play it, i have just about every game you can think of and i allways go back to uk3 most nights, even with ut4 out i still find myself in jetstreem server playing war old man ,psycoma ext ext you just cant beat it. but as i said ut2004 i think will be good when the full version comes out. ive just got into all weopons the last few months "i mainly play insta" but ive been getting into all weops more and more and loving it.
thats good news wakko, bigginers guide would be great, as i have alot to learn. i just hope ut2003 dosnt die before i get there. ill definatly read it. played you a few times wakko, i call myself norn in all weops and mutt in insta
when i first tryed all weops i got called a fkn noob heaps, got told to go play single until i could play the game properly and give them some compitition. i nearly thought fk it ill just play insta, but then thought fk them im gonna play till i kick the shit outta them. but on the other side of the coin there are some great guys playing to. been helped heaps by some of the kaos guys, and even fear lawsy who isnt to bad if you can get past his shit and insults
i agree with gammo, they should have brought out an expansion for 2003, all tweeked up more maps more weops maby a different game mode, and 2004 should have been brought out as an entirely different game maby call it "ut armogeddon" or somthing
well im still gonna get 2004 and still gonna play 2003, and im just glad 2004 will have insta
yer it would be a pitty if ut2004 kills ut2003, i think ut3 is one of those games you just never get sick of no matter how many times you play it, i have just about every game you can think of and i allways go back to uk3 most nights, even with ut4 out i still find myself in jetstreem server playing war old man ,psycoma ext ext you just cant beat it. but as i said ut2004 i think will be good when the full version comes out. ive just got into all weopons the last few months "i mainly play insta" but ive been getting into all weops more and more and loving it.
thats good news wakko, bigginers guide would be great, as i have alot to learn. i just hope ut2003 dosnt die before i get there. ill definatly read it. played you a few times wakko, i call myself norn in all weops and mutt in insta
when i first tryed all weops i got called a fkn noob heaps, got told to go play single until i could play the game properly and give them some compitition. i nearly thought fk it ill just play insta, but then thought fk them im gonna play till i kick the shit outta them. but on the other side of the coin there are some great guys playing to. been helped heaps by some of the kaos guys, and even fear lawsy who isnt to bad if you can get past his shit and insults
i agree with gammo, they should have brought out an expansion for 2003, all tweeked up more maps more weops maby a different game mode, and 2004 should have been brought out as an entirely different game maby call it "ut armogeddon" or somthing
well im still gonna get 2004 and still gonna play 2003, and im just glad 2004 will have insta
Going offtopic here, why is the lg the weapon with the "most skill"? Is it just because its what the avarage pro uses? Personally I think somebody who can assault rifle their way to a Wicked SICK is more deserving than someone who can do it with a lg.
To me, the lg just seems like - point - click - point - click. Because it's instant, there's really no anticipation factor with the skill (estimating where the player is going to be 1 second after your shot, which isn't easy.)
So, the pros use the lg. Why? is it because it's 1337? No. It's because in 2003 it was WAAAY overpowered. Anyone who's steady with a mouse and has a low ping can use it effectively because of the ridiculously large (jugg sized) hit boxes. Not to mention the bright skins which completely remove all aspects of stealth and obscured visability. I loved the camoflauge games (such as medal of honour), where you couldnt see an opponent even if he was leaning against the wall on the other side of the road. It really made you keep your eyes peeled. In UT2003/4, if a single shadow is cast upon an opponent then no doubt "WTF OMG its too dark!" or something along those lines will be said.
Flame away.
To me, the lg just seems like - point - click - point - click. Because it's instant, there's really no anticipation factor with the skill (estimating where the player is going to be 1 second after your shot, which isn't easy.)
So, the pros use the lg. Why? is it because it's 1337? No. It's because in 2003 it was WAAAY overpowered. Anyone who's steady with a mouse and has a low ping can use it effectively because of the ridiculously large (jugg sized) hit boxes. Not to mention the bright skins which completely remove all aspects of stealth and obscured visability. I loved the camoflauge games (such as medal of honour), where you couldnt see an opponent even if he was leaning against the wall on the other side of the road. It really made you keep your eyes peeled. In UT2003/4, if a single shadow is cast upon an opponent then no doubt "WTF OMG its too dark!" or something along those lines will be said.
Flame away.
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kAoS-Wakko
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I like it! I was playin on TDM the pubs with me against both RAGE and 2K, totally owning both of them, when 2K came out behind the twin ramp at the rockets in DM-RANKIN. I didnt even see him, I went to run for the Rockets, and he comes out from behind the ramp and WAM slaps me a good one. He was hiding and I couldnt even see him. What an concept, HIDING! Who could have imagined?
In UT2003, he would have been a glowstick behind those ramps.
I dig it UT2004.
In UT2003, he would have been a glowstick behind those ramps.
I dig it UT2004.
Hey guys,
1stly Id like to say UT2004 ROCKS!!!!!
As to Gammo's feelings...
This was the felling for all the old skoolers UT1er's when they first tried UT2003. The UT1 scene still kicks on but is slowly dieing.
So I think its time to adapt and move on... Stop living the past mannnn.
It seems Gammo has an issue.... Anyone got a tissue? :ph34r:
1stly Id like to say UT2004 ROCKS!!!!!
As to Gammo's feelings...
This was the felling for all the old skoolers UT1er's when they first tried UT2003. The UT1 scene still kicks on but is slowly dieing.
So I think its time to adapt and move on... Stop living the past mannnn.
It seems Gammo has an issue.... Anyone got a tissue? :ph34r:
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