Keybinds & Movement Macros.

Post by **unleashed** » 06 Jan 2004 12:05

I just thought it would be for the greater good if you had players from Gamearena JSG Node and ozforces all on one DM server

Post by **kAoS-DIISKO** » 06 Jan 2004 13:06

Thanks for the "recommendations" on how we should set up OUR server............ROFL..............the server has had "issues" with lag recently has nothing to do with Anti-TCC its completely and ozforces NETWORK problem we havent beem able to have it rectified because the ozforces offices have been closed over Christmas.

All should be fixed in a day or two.

As for people not playing on our server......u obviously have NO Idea Unleashed.

Before the ozforces network problem arose our server was PACKED almost every night with the average ping being 50-60 with most people commenting on what a kick ass server we have :ph34r:

Post by **kAoS-DIISKO** » 06 Jan 2004 13:09

But you see, The clans in these tournaments are exactly like you!
"ahhh Cheats....there every where....aaargh"
The top clans in the world. As in the best of the best have decided to boycott these tournaments and quit midway thru the season.

Ahahahahahhaha Unleashed we are not 7yos man come on give us some credit.

Do you really expect us to beleive that the Uber 1337 clans of the world are quiting major tourneys all because they cant use nexxs set haks?

Bwahahahahhahahaha I doubt that very much dude ....hahahah u make me laugh nice try though hahahhahahaha

Post by **kAoS-DIISKO** » 06 Jan 2004 13:16

I'm talking about tweaks made by yourself (to some extent)
and binds.
Obviously if you have a tweak thats lets you see thru walls then it shouldn't be allowed.

LOL well as far as i am aware nexxs tweaks run under a seperate batch file.

Yer WCG allow the installation of nexxs tweaks? yer right get a clue man honestly think about that will you?

Post by **kAoS-DIISKO** » 06 Jan 2004 13:20

Besides whaen we had Anti-TCC on our server NOT 1 person was accused of cheating. Which I think is reason enough to have it installed.

Coz nothing pisses me of more then when u are playing well and some random noob starts accusing u of cheating............surely this has happened to someone as l337 as u Unleashed :P

Post by **BLUUDTH|RSTA** » 06 Jan 2004 18:30

Unleashed, we are alinged against those BOTTOMFEEDERS using Nexxs tweaks as an excuse to improve thier Competative advantage. As far as Im concerned, they are HACKS.

They start by taking away smoke, flak splash and screen shake, then they will begin to go taking away the 'tree branches' and 'tree leaves' out of Antulus so you can see where others cannot. Fuckem, dont want play em anyway, in tournament or for fun.

We are not talking about weapon binds, we are talking about Nexxs tweaks. Weapons binds are fine, MACROS are not, NEXXS HACKS are not.

If you need to use NEXXS HACKS, go play an earlier game FFS. Doom1 will suit.

Post by **unleashed** » 06 Jan 2004 23:00

but it's not your choice to decide what other people want.
Why do you think others have an advantage with the tweaks?
Surely ut2k3 is all aim and control of items? How does straigtening the lightning make your aim better?

What so you've never accused?
Maybe you should go read your log files a bit better.
ok then disco stu,
Ask one of the represntatives of WCG if tweaks were allowed ^_^
Can't remember you being there,

Post by **unleashed** » 06 Jan 2004 23:03

But if your server is packed everynight full of nooblah's shouldn't you care how other clans see you?
From what i've heard/seen most think your a joke,
If your looking for an excuse for your losses , I'd blame your lag or your mouse or something cuz if you come into a server saying
"zomg i lost cuz he has nexx's tweaks...." it isn't going to work

Post by **BLUUDTH|RSTA** » 06 Jan 2004 23:30

We are not making excuses for anything, mention of it was quite pointless.

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>We are not discussing ANY tweaks, NEXX tweaks. </span>

Straightening the lighting gun in addition to all those other tweaks does improve ones competative advantage.

Post by **kAoS-DIISKO** » 07 Jan 2004 22:15

If the programmer meant for that corner of the room to be completely dark
so you could not see a person standing there, then it should be that way.

If the programmer meant for there to be fog or smoke so you couldnt see more then
100 yards, then your equipment and settings shouldn't change it so it does.

Tweaking the graphics so it can play acceptable on your system is
alright, but not tweaking the graphics so you can see/kill people better!

Post by **BLUUDTH|RSTA** » 08 Jan 2004 13:21

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disco_Stu @ Jan 7 2004, 10:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If the programmer meant for that corner of the room to be completely dark
so you could not see a person standing there, then it should be that way.

If the programmer meant for there to be fog or smoke so you couldnt see more then
100 yards, then your equipment and settings shouldn't change it so it does.

Tweaking the graphics so it can play acceptable on your system is
alright, but not tweaking the graphics so you can see/kill people better! [/quote]
Unleashed, I implore you to understand that this is our issue in it entirety. This is it plain and simple. Thanks Disco.

Dont confuse NEXX's "tweaks/hacks" with these Unleashed: <a href='http://unreal.epicgames.com/ut2003tweakguide.htm' target='_blank'>http://unreal.epicgames.com/ut2003tweakguide.htm</a>

The above we are all for and encourage everyone to use,we also feel and agree that they do not create a 'unfair' competative advantage. NEXX's hacks hides behind the veil of 'tweaks' when I feel in fact they are hacks.

<span style='color:red'>And of course they have an advantage with using these NEXX Tweaks. For anyone to say other wise would merely be a losers statement hiding in a losers last bastion, an excuse. </span>

Seriously Unleashed. All about aim and control? Did you forget about reaction times and visibility? Light effects, sun-reflection, blinding headlights/spotlights, fog, water falls, leaves branches, grass, snow, rain, cloud...all these are apart of an environment that a competing player must deal with and which to some degree will and have the potential to effect ones visibility and hence game play. Eliminating these is a fundamental change to the games physics and hence changes the whole game. As the formula continues, changing a game for the purpose of increasing your competative advantage results and equates to what is termed as cheating.

Post by **kAoS-DIISKO** » 08 Jan 2004 15:20

We dont look for excuses..............weve never once said OMG we lost coz they hak wtf?

Its all about a LEVEL playing field! Why should one player be able to see across the map and Hedhot everyone and dodge flak roket etc with ease because they have BRIGHT/Glowing projectiles................whilst others cant see more then 10 feet because of environmental effects..ie smoke fog rain etc

Post by **unleashed** » 08 Jan 2004 22:43

There are no maps in ut2k3 which make use of fog enough so that someone without it can have a disadvantage,
The only thing i can think of which is even remotely like this,
Is the rain in DM-Grendelkeep, yet the rain isn't there if you turn down your detail.

As for straighening the lightning beam won't help your aim.
By the time you notice your lightning is straight you have already fired the gun.
The tweaks don't change where the gun is aiming or where the bullets end up, they change the way they look after they've been fired.

Tweaks won't help your reaction time.
Tweaks will not help you see any better,

There is no competitive advantage it just gets rid of the shit candy in the game, it's like turning down your details. Lets just hope Nexx's tweaks don't get integrated into ttmv3.2 like pakman is thinking about. . . .

Post by **BLUUDTH|RSTA** » 08 Jan 2004 23:06

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (unleashed @ Jan 8 2004, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> There are no maps in ut2k3 which make use of fog enough so that someone without it can have a disadvantage,
As for straighening the lightning beam won't help your aim.
By the time you notice your lightning is straight you have already fired the gun.

Tweaks won't help your reaction time.
Tweaks will not help you see any better,

[/quote]
I think we are talking about different Tweaks here.

NEXXs give you:

Performance tweaks:
- No smoke
- No blood
- Removed various other effects
- Wall + player hit sparks
- Wall smoke
- Explosion smoke
- Spawn / teleport effects
- Item respawn effects
- Minigun Tracers
- Secondary lightning bolts
- No pickups base spiral effect
- Many more
- No emitters in map (gas, smoke, flames etc. )
- No spawn / teleport effect
- Less complex effects
- rocket / grenade / flak
- shock combo
- Trans trail
- Wall sparks
- No weapon / pickups bases
- No 3rd person weapon muzzle flash
- Culldistances
- When an item is a certain distance away from view it will not be rendered , this may
boost performance in large, open areas. It applies to projectiles, ammo, pickup bases,
map decorations and other effects.
- Custom Player LODBias
- This is the number of polygons or detail that each player mesh will have. Default value
is 1.8, a setting of 0 will mean lowest possible detail all the time.

Visibility tweaks:
- No weapon shake
- Unlit Players (same us epic's brightskins)
- No fog when underwater
- Clearer view when zoomed in with sniper rifle
- Larger player shoulder lights
- No minigun fire sound (for 2199 patch) (activate via weaponfx.txt)
- Thinner smoke
- Unlit Staticmeshes + movers (activate via visibilty.txt)
- Dead Body Filter
- No ambient sounds
- Straight Lightning fire
- Straight Link Beam
- Invisible Link Beam (activate via weaponfx.txt)
- Thin Link Beam (activate via weaponfx.txt)
- Pickup messages do not clutter console
- Centered Weapon models (activate via weaponfx.txt) - screenshots
- Simple Items
- Redeemer AltFire shows normal HUD and team beacons
- Bright Projectiles

These help you see better. These DO help you see better, of course they do.

Many maps have sections where there is a bit of fog/steam/waterfall where visibility behind it is effected.

And my major problem with your argument that they MERELY reduce eye candy is....how many of NEXX's users actually need to reduce thier eye candy? What anyone would guess is "not bluudy many". Which means that thier reasons for using them are not for PC performance and FPS reasons at all.

Post by **unleashed** » 10 Jan 2004 14:49

no.
This brings me back to the argument the international community recognise these tweaks and accepted them,
Sure the average noob at home with a high spec PC can play with all the detail up,
But people who want highest frames to make the better jumps or to be able to see when things get explodey are a different story.
Also, I'd say about 50% of users have a gf4mx or lower and therfore must reduce details and resolution.
I have a gf2mx400 and the tweaks on avg give me about 10-15 frames extra.
This may not seem much to you bluud you probably have some king system, but for those of us who can't afford a half decent video card 10-15 frames are a god send.

I'm not going to post here again, if you want to continue to discuss it find me on GA.
Tweaks are a grey spot, but they won't help in the slightest if you have king aim ^_^