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Soz fellas, dun mean to dampen anyones spirits, but I for one find UT4 avsolutely ridiculous!

OMFG!

How many of you have pulled more then 5 headshoots in any single game?

How many of you have actually been headshoot?

Answer: FOOK ALL!

No more Boost jumping!

Every punt runs around jumping up and down like a dickhead......

It's 100% spam fest.....

THe weapon bobbing, mkes it next to impossible to get a headshoot.... out the window goes any resemblence of skill, in comes total spam... MINI, FLAK, GOO, Shock whores are the order of the day....

OMFG! I spent (I know I speak for alot of peps, who just haven't got the balls to speak up, afraid of been flamed, well go for it) months learning to boost jump and incorporating it into my game... for wat?

No its completly gone, you get a beefed up dodge jump.. errr yeah ok... daz takes a lot of skill....

Just now I played DM... got 2nd highest score (R@ge got 1st) and in the duration of that game i got hit 3 times by the lg.. 3 fooking times... the rest of the time i got nailed by pure spam... just n00bs running around like headless chooks.. spamming....

MINI gun and Link gun and flak and rox and shock spam....

oly sheet... wat the hell haz epic done here!?

the game is not only s-l-o-w...... the skill level has been n00bed down to such a degree... dat so long as you keep the spam finger on the spam trigger..... and run around like a blind, stoned bat.... you will get akilll....

forget it fellas.. i for one wunt be doing much UT4'ing...... I took pride in the way I busted my arse for fucking MONTHS.. mastering the lg and boost jumping.... hard fooking work, blood, sweat n tears I 'm talking about... not mindless spam...

fook this....

As for Onslaught... mmmm if I want to drive vehicles i would buy HALO.. no?

I'm playing ONS.. and go to a good camping spot and just sat back and wacthed as a bunch of n00bs... did nothing but run over peps and run around like mindless idiots.... OMFG!!!...OMFG!!!!!...... mmm i get into a turrent or wat ever the fook their called.. yeah ok.. dat was fun (sarcasum x1,000,000) just sit there mindlessly shooting away... boom, boom, booom, booom.... ok.. that took alot of skilll... just point and shoot..... yay!.. who needs skilll.. just run the turds over or shot them with spam..... fun, fun fun!

Sorry but UT4 is an insult to all my hard work in UT3.. if Epic wants to make their own little version of HALO, then they should've just of called it UT goes HALO!, because UT4 is got very little to do with twicht monkey DM.. it has degenerated into a skilless spam feast....

In conclusion:

UT4 = n00b spam x100

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UT2004 is more noob spam game but i think you have to give it a try on some biger dm maps like antalus.
If its more fun for noobs the game is going to have lots more players like ut and more clans will start,and will have more clan wars to play.
I for one find it hard to get use to the slow weapons change and find it hard to see players i think ttm will fix some things.
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:P i can still boost jump :P
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I think it says a lot when in the four days since the demo has been released i have NOT been killed by the Lighning Gun !

WTF UT2003 i would get killed by the lightning and or heaDSHOTED a minimum 5 times a match.

This really does prove how much epic have noobed the game down.

The weapon switch times REALLY suk....

I cant see the players..........and in the team based games you can hardly tell who is o0n your team and who is the enemy.

As for onslaught.....yeah it was fun for oh about a day...........i thought we were going to get a tactical team based game involving startegy?

Not GRAND THEFT AUTO 2004 where the "strategy" is to run over as many people as u can in vehicles.......

Look i dont hate it entirely and i still can OWN lol....Ill give it more time and hopefully they will tweak a few things for the full release.
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<!--QuoteBegin-[kAoS]*gämmö+Feb 15 2004, 09:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([kAoS]*gämmö @ Feb 15 2004, 09:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Soz fellas, dun mean to dampen anyones spirits, but I for one find UT4 avsolutely ridiculous!

OMFG!

How many of you have pulled more then 5 headshoots in any single game?

How many of you have actually been headshoot?

Answer: FOOK ALL!

No more Boost jumping!

Every punt runs around jumping up and down like a dickhead......

It's 100% spam fest.....

THe weapon bobbing, mkes it next to impossible to get a headshoot.... out the window goes any resemblence of skill, in comes total spam... MINI, FLAK, GOO, Shock whores are the order of the day....

OMFG! I spent (I know I speak for alot of peps, who just haven't got the balls to speak up, afraid of been flamed, well go for it) months learning to boost jump and incorporating it into my game... for wat?

No its completly gone, you get a beefed up dodge jump.. errr yeah ok... daz takes a lot of skill....

Just now I played DM... got 2nd highest score (R@ge got 1st) and in the duration of that game i got hit 3 times by the lg.. 3 fooking times... the rest of the time i got nailed by pure spam... just n00bs running around like headless chooks.. spamming....

MINI gun and Link gun and flak and rox and shock spam....

oly sheet... wat the hell haz epic done here!?

the game is not only s-l-o-w...... the skill level has been n00bed down to such a degree... dat so long as you keep the spam finger on the spam trigger..... and run around like a blind, stoned bat.... you will get akilll....

forget it fellas.. i for one wunt be doing much UT4'ing...... I took pride in the way I busted my arse for fucking MONTHS.. mastering the lg and boost jumping.... hard fooking work, blood, sweat n tears I 'm talking about... not mindless spam...

fook this....

As for Onslaught... mmmm if I want to drive vehicles i would buy HALO.. no?

I'm playing ONS.. and go to a good camping spot and just sat back and wacthed as a bunch of n00bs... did nothing but run over peps and run around like mindless idiots.... OMFG!!!...OMFG!!!!!...... mmm i get into a turrent or wat ever the fook their called.. yeah ok.. dat was fun (sarcasum x1,000,000) just sit there mindlessly shooting away... boom, boom, booom, booom.... ok.. that took alot of skilll... just point and shoot..... yay!.. who needs skilll.. just run the turds over or shot them with spam..... fun, fun fun!

Sorry but UT4 is an insult to all my hard work in UT3.. if Epic wants to make their own little version of HALO, then they should've just of called it UT goes HALO!, because UT4 is got very little to do with twicht monkey DM.. it has degenerated into a skilless spam feast....

In conclusion:

UT4 = n00b spam x100

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afaik, theres a UT2003 style mutator in the retail, which puts everything back to the way it was (2003 lg, jumping, etc.). This was done because of the initial plan to make 2003 and 2004 network compatible. You should be able to use this mutator on the new 2004 maps too.

I hate to disagree entirely, but here i go. I think 2004 is better in so many ways BECAUSE it makes the newer players more competitive. So many n00bs left the 2003 scene because they were sick to death of getting lg'd every 5 seconds in antalus. The weapons in 2004 are balanced and makes for a more enjoyable game.

And if you want a 2004 headshot snipe-fest, play InstaGib.
Otherwise, feel free to continue owning up the empty 2003 servers.
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I just spent like 3 hours playing UT3.. and matee...... i take back everything isaid about it in the past it PANWS... its fast... its complex and its ultamatly so much more satisfing then UT4... I lost count of the headshoots i pulled......

Im not playing UT4 again, period.......

I feel like a n00b... in it....


I pawed every single game i was in UT3 today.. every single game.. in CTF scores of 150+ in DM scores of 50+

admit not all the peps on der wer l337.. but it was not easy by da same token...

I den go and try UT4 again.. and once again.. i get so furios i prackilly... throw my chair against the walll.. fook now i gotta putty the hole.. FFS!!!!

I continusly got killed by MINI guns and FLAK.... and dat than shock core.....

Wen i pick up alightin gun, there practilly NO sound... no pick up sound, wen you have AMP the sound your weaps make is like a weak half-baked fart....

OHHH MY FOOKING GOD.....


everytime i go to weap swicth bettween the LG n Shock.. banf.. i get mowed down by sum muderfurking n00b and his FUCKING MINI!!!!!

and Druz... i'm practiklly a master boost jumper.., in UT3 i can boost of places you never even seen....... and wen i say you can not BOOST jump in UT4 .. I mean YOU CAN NOT BOOST JUMP in UT4!

to hell with this stoopid game....

I dun care.. and Im not putting the demo on the server.. no fooking way.. u punts are gonna have to run me out of the clan on a fooking POLE!!!!! b4 i put dat cunt of a game on our server!!!!!
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Paladin... I respect everyones opinion, so plz feel free tospeak ur mind, in [kAoS] we have NO uder way... =]

But consider this, in 4 months from now, whos gonna be left playing UT4?

n00bs.. n the n00bs dat stopped playing UT3, are the same n00bs who are gonna stop playing UT4, becasuse in a short time.. there wil surface UT4 l337 players who will own the simple minded n00b, who has less charisma then a dead toad..... the reason there called n00bs, is cause they want to be spoon feed kills, for their lack of skill and inability to learn skills....

a skilles game is nothing more thatn a n00b game.

the weapons are not more balanced in UT4,, because now, the MINI is the default weapon and it has been made more powerfulll, cause you dun need to aim with it, it's spray of bullets has a relatively wide hit area, making it a total no brainer to use, therefore that = n00b weapon of chooice..

In uder words.... UT4 now has a LG dat feels and kills like a wet paper bag... a goo dat is praktically uselesss.. a Shock that has a minute splash damage area, an xlock that is been modified for translocking only (you can no longer kill with it.... a thing whih got me out of trouble countless times, wen i just respanw and have no weaps and sum freak is on top of me with 6,000 flak shells)..

but inturn.. the MINI is more powerfull, the LINK is more powerfull (with the LInk you dun aim.. you simply spray with it)... a FLAK with glowing projectilles... a ROX that loads quicker in 3 barrel mode...... and they have introduced this totally insane weapon sahke and mouse acceleration that praktically makes it impossible to headshoott... the one true thing that can be called SKILL!!!!

Soz Paladin... but UT4 has been tweaked to comply to the n00b vote cause they are the only ones with time to caomplain about how much they HATE getting pawed by GOOD players, who dun complain but knuckle down and leanr SKILLS and just play the game...

Also consider this:

MARKETING TACTICS!

The demo has been made so ridicously easy and a total no brainer , becasue based on the demo, Epic will sells FOOKING tons of this game.. why do you think old style UT3 is in the form of a mutator ONLY in the retail version and not in da demo?

Answer: Becasue da demo is free.... so a lot of peps will d/l and play it, look at how good there playing and BUY the retail version! Gamearena proves theis point by having a sheet load of servers full of them.. most of these peps, gave up on the complexity and pure genious subtelty of UT3 cause they can't be bothered to learn skills, der NOT serius gamers..... they just want a "good" easy peassyy time fragging mindlessly.........

ANd UT4 demo is exkaly dat!.... the original UT3 demo shipped with mutators, (If im not mistaken) and in the time the retail version was been played, only the serious gamers stuck with it, cause the learning curve was relativly easy but to MASTER the game.. took/takes SKILL!!!!! Da one thing noobs hate, so Epic copped a backlash for it.. so this time there making sure fo the greenback by NOT give us anything but a n00bed down demo with mass-market-HALO appeal....

Am I making sense?

Personally I feel insulted by that money hungry attitude..... but I know for a fact 4 months down the road, SERIOUS clans will only be playing UT4 in UT3 mode, while the rest of the servers will be left full of n00bs on their own...

I bet a slab on it!



It sux.....
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Yep after a while i rekon/hope most servers will run ut2004 in ut2003 mode.

UT2003 only need a few tweaks with some of the weapon balancing...........it didnt need to be nufed like this
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I den go and try UT4 again.. and once again.. i get so furios i prackilly... throw my chair against the walll.. fook now i gotta putty the hole.. FFS!!!!
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I havent really been basing my opinion from a comparison of ut2003 and 2004. I see them both as two separate games, with alot of similarities and differences. Based on marketting though, I can see where epic is coming from. They tried to revert UT2003 back to UT classic in terms of some gameplay elements. But is this so bad? I thought UT '99 got game of the year didn't it? :rolleyes:

The 1 DM map that the demo gives us though I dont think is enough to draw a conclusion. The map is very spammy when theres lots of players, but thats because its a small map anyway. I must say I had a great couple of duels on that map though.

Besides, apart from in Assault, we still havent really seen how good the sniper rifle can be. In my eyes I can see ut2004 skill coming from that weapon.

As for onslaught, yeah It is definently a n00b fest, but if you let it all go and dont worry about the skillz it can be so damn fun.

If I could complain about 1 thing in this game, it would be that epic didnt bring the ripper back. Man I loved that weapon. :(
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boost jump off the lift can be done but the timing is all out you have to jump at a deferent time than ut2003
In ut2003 you jump as the lift is going up.
In ut2004 you have to jump as the lift is just going to stop on the way up. :blink:
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yeah i found dat one by accident.... lol weird sheet or wat.... still dumbstruck at to da logic behind dat one.. why change the most basic of jumps?

But the boost jumps im talking asbout is this:

dodge into a vertical falt surface, then; dodge (away in the oppisite direction) , dodge, jump, jump... dat gives you a WALL boost Jump...

so far in UT4.. I have not been able to do that, regardless of my tming changes, it just simply can not be done...

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People will always resist change.

If you always do what you have always done, youll always have what you've already got.

kAoS= changer of ways.

I will embrace this game to my full potential until something better arrives.

As far as all this nOOb talk goes, I think it is the GAYEST thing that Ive ever heard.

I once was a barman, and a guy came in and said "Im the best fighter in this pub, I can smash anyone." So in reply I asked him this.

"Can you speak Spanish?"

He couldn't so he said "No."

I said, "WHY NOT?!"

Because he hasnt learned it.

Anyone can do anything given the same circumstances and experience and time. So, the only thing that makes someone a l33t tosser, is because they have had learned more.
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I like ut2004. I admit its not as quick with the weapon changes(no more quick lg&shock combo for me) but its good for a change. I say give it a chance you 2003 masters and soon none of us will be noobs at 2004. I do like the mini gun sound too,that rocks man! It is just a bugy demo but at least its new with new techniques needed. I will be bold and say*Gulp* UT2004 ROCKS! :unsure:
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People will always resist change.

If you always do what you have always done, youll always have what you've already got.

kAoS= changer of ways.

I will embrace this game to my full potential until something better arrives.

As far as all this nOOb talk goes, I think it is the GAYEST thing that Ive ever heard.

I once was a barman, and a guy came in and said "Im the best fighter in this pub, I can smash anyone."  So in reply I asked him this.

"Can you speak Spanish?"

He couldn't so he said "No."

I said, "WHY NOT?!"

Because he hasnt learned it.


Anyone can do anything given the same circumstances and experience and time. So, the only thing that makes someone a l33t tosser, is because they have had more opportunity to learn more.

This attitude towards nOObs in unsavoury and wanky, and is not the attitude of a warrior or a real man who is confident and comfortable with himself as a whole person.

Sun Tzu's Art of War is invaluabe in this argument.
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